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Roseanne is a retired USPS employee with an extensive background in USPS
retirement, disability retirement, OWCP, EEO, Labor Relations and HR.
She conducts individual and group counseling and is able to
comprehensively discuss the pros and cons of employees who are on OWCP,
disability retirement and regular retirement. Roseanne will be happy
to answer your postal retirement questions. Contact Roseanne at
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Postal Retirement
Q&A October 2013 |
Good Day Postal
Employees!! I
would like to thank
everyone for your prayers
and genuine concern for my
daughter Hope. We are
almost done with her
second round of
chemotherapy (Round 2
after surgery weekly chemo
treatments, lasted about
15 weeks). She will have
a slight break, and then
will begin radiation
treatment, with a time
frame that has not been
fully established. Again,
my thanks to all of you
that have kept her in your
prayers, thoughts and
heart.
I will begin this
month's column with "OH NO
YOU DID-INT". ...After
answering a ridiculous
number of emails, that
pretty much
said "Roseanne, when is
there going to be
another early out ?" or
"Roseanne, if there is an
early out, do
you foresee any incentive
with it". If you will go
back and read some of my
earlier column responses,
I say that I did and do
believe that there would
be more early outs offered
and I also felt that there
would NOT BE a monetary
incentive on the next
round(s).
And so, again�.we have
another round of Early Out
Retirements (VERA) for
selected positions, as in
this case, certain
Postmaster's in selected
occupation codes. And NO,
the postmasters in this
round of early out's are
NOT getting any incentive
money, as the mail
handlers or clerks did in
the prior early out
authority for them�.for a
very good reason�because
if they REALLY understand
what is going on, they
will RUN out the door,
without an incentive.
Many employees both
EAS and craft are being
offered positions with
schedules of less than 40
hours per week. In these
cases, employees are being
told that they will have
"saved salary" for 2
years, and although true
and sounding good on the
outside�.. is it really???
If you are a Postmaster
or a clerk, and your job
is being abolished or
eliminated due to POStPlan,
EAS employees are being
offered such positions as
EPM-55 postmasters, (a
position title that has
been, for lack of a better
word "resurrected"); and
craft employees are being
offered positions as Part
time Regular..and the
slang position NTFT called
a "nifty clerk".
But it is very
important to understand
the REAL ISSUE of going
from a full time (40 hours
per week) to a
Non-Traditional Full Time
(NTFT) (which is OPM's
language for these less
than 40 hr a week
positions). In the post
office many are called
Part time Regular,
typically with hours
ranging from 30-36 per
week. I am going stop
here and have you think
about this issue, and how
it would relate to your
retirement calculations
when you spend
"X" number of years in the
NEW position NOT WORKING A
FULL 40 hours per week/80
hours a pay period. YOU
MUST THINK ABOUT THIS FROM
PURELY A FISCAL
PERSPECTIVE�because they
are�...
Example: You are offered
"saved salary" and you
were making $56,804 yearly
as an EAS-13 Postmaster
(which is your High-3
average salary), and you
took a position as a
"part-time" regular
Postmaster, going from an
EAS-13 to EPM-55, working
32 hours a week. Do you
really think that you are
going to still make
$56,804 per
year????�simply because
you were told you are
"keeping the same salary
for 2 years", but working
only 32 hours�OF COURSE
NOT!! What will happen is
your $56,804 is calculated
to the hourly figure of
$27.31 (56,804 divided by
2080= $27.31 per hour).
Then you are paid $27.31
x 32 hours (or 64 hours
per pay period). That
translates to $45,443 per
year in your new position,
reducing your gross yearly
income by $11,361.00.
When retiring (even) if
only in this 32 hour a
week position for as
little as 6 months, it
begins to REDUCE your
annuity, and the longer
you stay in this position,
the worse the reduction
becomes. THIS IS WHAT THE
PRO-RATION FACTOR IS ALL
ABOUT. The below
information is taken
directly from OPM, as it
relates to this subject.
"This alert clarifies
how we should proceed USPS
cases with an "NT" (or
"NTFT) schedule.
During the past year, the
USPS has been sending
IRR"s with an "NT"
notation next to the pay
rates in the Service
History Remarks. The USPS
has defined NT as
"non-traditional full
time". We view any work
schedule under 40 hours a
week, or 80 hours a pay
period to be a part-time
work schedule and
therefore will process
claims with the NT work
schedules of less than 40
hours a week/80 hours a
pay period in the same
manner as we compute USPS
cases based on part time
regular work schedules.
We will credit any
reported hours worked in
excess of the stated tour,
NTE 40 hour a week/80
hours per pay period in
the computation of the
proration factor."
And all of that means that
when computing retirement,
you cannot only use the
standard computations
alone. If using FERS as
the example retirement
system; calculation is of
1% of the Hi-3 average
salary, times
the number of years
worked. That gives the
yearly gross amount, which
then is divided by 12
giving a monthly annuity.
(That figure is WITHOUT
the reduction of 10% for
the spousal annuity)�..and
that would be the correct
figure�because it is THE
BEGINNING FIGURE, (the
Hi-3 Average Salary)
before the proration
factor reduces it.
In this case, as above
with a salary of
$56,804�your high-3 is
always going to be your
high 3, and that figure IS
USED to determine your
annuity. And then�.that
figure will be pro rated
by the number of weeks or
pay periods that you did
not work a full 40/80 but
32/64. The percentage of
weeks/pay periods in the
less than 40/80 is
calculated and the
percentage of that is
based against your OVERALL
years bringing you to a
reduced annuity
percentage.
Example:�Working 25
years, and the last 6
months of your employment
you work a NTFT position
of 32 hours per week or 64
hours per pay period.
That will have a 2%
reduction, so YOUR hi-3 is
STILL $56,804 but now its
reduced by 2%, bringing
the hi-3 to $55,667.00,
(98% of your Hi-3 Average
salary). Then the annuity
calculation begins with 1%
X $55,667 now, not
$56,804. So the longer
you work in the less than
40 hour a week job, the
less you WILL have as
retirement income from
FERS.
In a quick scenario, taken
from the figures above, when I
applied this to someone who
was trying to decide to
retire, with 25 years (with
5-6 months working a 32 hour
week position), and was trying
to decide should they work 5
more years. With
the pro-ration factor applied
(because if retiring then (5
years from now)
we calculate 30 years, (of
that 30 years, now 5 years and
6 months are part time).
After the proration was
applied, AND WORKING 5 MORE
YEARS, their monthly annuity
was $9.00 dollars more a month
gross, than it was
if retiring with the 25 years
(& 6 months of part time
hours). PLEASE ---I KNOW THIS
IS VERY CONFUSING�AND I
ABSOLUTELY CANNOT calculate
everyone's current and future
retirement if you write and
ask me�it's very labor
intensive, and I am doing this
manually, whereas, OPM has
computers to do this.
AND THAT BEING SAID�.if
you are one of the
postmasters that have been
given an early out VERA
offer, countless numbers
of you received your
annuity estimates WITH
ABSOLUTELY NO GROSS
MONTHLY FIGURES ON THE
ANNUITY ESTIMATE
WHATSOEVER!! And then
expect you to make a
decision, by an irrevocable drop
dead date if you wanted to
retire�really!!!! Based on
WHAT!�NO information!!
Who does that!! Who
retires not knowing how
much EVEN the gross
annuity is, even before
any deductions are made.
Seriously�.do you apply
for a job, get the job,
and then go home and tell
your spouse, hey honey, I
got a job�and the spouse
says�.GREAT!!!, how much
will you be making�.and
the newly employed spouse
says, gee I don't know, I
guess I will find out when
I get my paycheck�ARE YOU
KIDDING ME!!!
Like I said in the beginning
of this column "Oh NO you did-ent"
Q 1. Hi Roseanne- would
like to know what is the
earliest I could retire? I am
54 years old and began my
career as a carrier in the
post office. I was 41 when I
began, and I am under the FERS
retirement system. I bought
back my 7 years of military,
so I currently have 20 years
of service. My question
is when I can go without
penalty? Thank you so much
for all the years of us
carriers reading your columns
in the break room, it's
obvious to us, you are a
postal employee to the
BONE...�.you have been a life
saver to many. Thanks, HB
A 1. Hi HB, You can retire
at your MRA (no doubt 56) as
long as you have at least 10
years of credible service,
however, that is NOT full
retirement and does have a 5%
reduction penalty for each
year under age 62, AND can
only do that IF you are AT
your MRA. So for you, that
won't be for another 2 years,
and it still is not full
retirement. AND on top of the
5% reduction applied to your
annuity, you also LOSE OUT on
the Special Supplement. So,
other than an early out or
discontinued service
retirement, which means you
must have at least 25 years
(at any age) or at least be
age 50, with 20 years to
retire, you should not
consider it. Be aware that
when you are offered an early
out, there is NO 5% reduction
on age�.AND if you are AT your
MRA you ARE eligible for the
Special Supplement. If not at
MRA,when you reach your MRA,
then your Special Supplement
will begin (again this is
under early
out criteria only). And thank
you, yes postal to the core!
Roseanne
Q 2. Hi, I will be leaving the
USPS in a few days and would
like to know what forms I need
to fill out. I am a letter
carrier with 28 yrs of service
at 51 years of age.
Thanks, G
A 2. Hi G, if you are
resigning then you should
be/should have already been
calling HRSSC @
1-877-477-3273, & to
assist you in the resignation
process. They will send you
the forms. If you are
retiring.... that call should
have been made months ago, and
you should have signed all
papers and should already be
turned in. IF not, then I
suggest you calling them to
discuss this with them.
Roseanne
Q 3. Hi Roseanne, I am a
career employee with the USPS
for 33 years. I have recently
taken a job as a carrier
supervisor level 17. As a
topped out clerk I received an
annual pay of $53,500. I now
receive pay of $56,500 at
level 17. I recently found
out that EAS employees do not
qualify for any COLA. I only
have 3 years 10 months until
retirement and am wondering if
I would have received a better
retirement as a craft employee
receiving future COLAs or did
I make the right decision
trying to keep my high three
at a higher pay level? Thanks
for your advice. JM
A. 3 Hi JM - you made the
right choice. There may be NO
Cola as an EAS, (in the same
way it is done as a craft
employee�EAS has increases
based on merits, but in this
climate, perhaps there will
not be any those anyway) but
you will have added $3000,
annually to your salary, which
will be included in
the overall retirement
calculations, AND, and that is
HUGE. What if in a wholesale
"Postal Reorganization, and
positions such as clerks are
being " re-defined", as the
example with the new position
"NonTraditional Full Time".
If after, this round of early
out's and regular retirements,
there is a reorganization, and
they abolish all clerk
positions, to redefine and
apply new (and perhaps less
than 40 hour a week)
schedules; and then must bid
to secure a new position, that
may be anywhere from from
30-36 hours per week. That
ALONE...will begin to degrade
how your annuity is
calculated, ... called the pro
ration factor... you made the
right choice. I will be
addressing that issue, from
the OPM (Office of Personnel
Management) perspective in my
next column. Roseanne
Q 4. Hi
Roseanne, God bless your daughter
and you. Thank you for all of your
informative information. I worked
for the postal service from
1986-1989. Subsequently I was
reinstated 1990 to present both
under the FERS retirement system .
Eight months ago I submitted form
3108 for a redeposit of funds back
into the FERS retirement system.
OPM just sent me form R136-23 of
what I owed plus interest. I
mailed check back to OPM claim #
and date of birth. My question is
OPM supposed to send me a copy of
my paid invoice so I can forward
it on to HRSSC so they can update
my annuity computation date? Thank
you, R.
A. 4. Hi R, first thing to
do is get a copy of that
cancelled check both sides.
That beyond all words is
undeniable evidence that you
paid it in full, & you have a
date in which that happened on
the check. That, with a copy
of the SF3108, showing the pay
off figure is concrete. How
you should approach this is
REGARDLESS if you receive a
letter from OPM, you want to
see in your "postal history"
if you have been credited with
those years. You can do this
by going to your eOpf on line
at liteblue and postal ease
and check to see. You should
have a PS Form 50 cut,
changing your RCD, (retirement
computation date). If you are
trying to line your ducks up
in row before retirement (
soon) then don't sleep this...
Stay on it..not because you
won't be credited with it, you
will... It's just the bs
hassle it takes when form 50's
don't line up with current
information. Thank you for
your expression of empathy
for my daughter, I am humbled
by her strength. Roseanne
Q 4. Follow up - Hi Roseanne
again . Just a follow up to
your response of my FERS
Redeposit. Yes I do want to
line up all my ducks in a row
before retirement. I did
receive a letter from OPM
verifying my years of
employment and amount due plus
interest from the postal
service which I have already
paid back. My question is
should I send back a copy of
the letter from OPM which
includes my years of service
and amount due plus interest
along with a copy of my
cancelled check to HRSSC? All
the best to you and your
family!
Q 4. Follow up Response - Yes
I would. Then wait about 2 pay
periods, & if you don't
receive a PS Form 50 in the
mail, changing your RCD & ACD
(Retirement & Annuity
Computation Dates), then call
HRSSC at
1-877-477-3273 & inquire
when the form 50 is going to
be processed on your buy back.
2 pay periods IS MORE THAN
sufficient time for them to
complete this. Remember you
want this to show on your
"form 50 history". Roseanne
Q 5. Hi Roseanne, I
retired last year after almost
38 years. I reviewed all the
early out information,
attended several seminars that
were given; watched all the
retirement videos and went
through HRSSC for my
counseling session on the
phone. The retirement videos
state a retiree can be
reemployed by the Post Office
as a rural route sub or a PMR
with no offset to retirement.
I also called shared services
and they agreed. My Post
Office rehired me as a rural
route sub and now personnel in
ANY CITY, USA is saying it
will affect my retirement. My
postmaster had me call OPM and
they said personnel needs to
follow the CSRS/FERS
retirement handbook chapter
100 to do this. Do you have
any advice on how I can
proceed with this situation
between OPM and personnel? I
would really like to start
working again! Thank you for
your help, JR
A. 5. Hi JR, You do
understand by asking me this
question, you are basically
are asking me to give you
instructions for you to tell
YOUR PERSONNEL office HOW do
this�sad isn't it. Yes you
can work as a PMR or TRC after
retirement. However, there
are "conditions" that surround
that type of employment, as
well as regulations that must
be followed by the District
you are trying to work for.
There is required to
paperwork to complete for OPM
that is signed off by the HR
Manager, AND YOU!! with the
understanding of the
"limitation" that you can work.
You can work ONLY
180 days ( in
each calendar year)
without if affecting your
annuity. On day 181 it
becomes a dollar for
dollar reduction. One of
the reasons that ANY CITY,
USA may be saying no, is
that, you CANNOT just
re-hire an annuitant,
without going through the
proper procedures for
implementing
this position. There are
required steps to this
process, one is that the
District Office MUST
VALIDATE by virtue of
announcement(s) or
newspaper advertising,
that they have tried EVERY
POSSIBLE WAY TO HIRE
someone (other than you, a
retiree) and were
UNSUCCESSFUL. I suspect
that has not been done,
and typically is not done,
because to have that
position "legal" the
district need to follow
the proper procedures.
And in this case, was
not done, or you would not
be writing me, for
instructions to give your
District Office on how to
accomplish this. OPM is
not IMPRESSED by us as
an organization, because
they can see we try to get
AROUND doing what is
regulations. A typical
scenario is: this job was
"promised" to you when you
were retiring, to
supplement your income and
to "encourage" you to
retire.
Because normally (after
38 years) when you
retire,�YER DONE!! IT's a
RAP !! Not taking orders
anymore, no deadlines, no
creep overtime, no COA
files, no watching
everyone else's sick
leave, and know when they
are sick�there went your
merit�because otherwise,
why didn't you just stay.
I would say this probably
will not be done by your
district, at least in this
climate of the PO where
every possible job is
going to be taken by those
that are employed, or are
looking for a "landing
spot" when a current
employee's job has been
eliminated.
You worked 38 years, and
folks are scrambling for
jobs because the Postal
Service is downsizing and
eliminating jobs left and
right. Employees are just
looking to KEEP a job and
a place to work�SHAME ON
YOU!! If you worked 38
years, then you are a CSRS
employee. And since I
know retirements�( I live
and breath it), I KNOW FOR
FACT!! that your take home
monthly annuity is almost
exactly the same as your
take home working salary,
when you were employed. I
tell many retired postal
employees who ask this
same question�..the Post
Office is NOT the only
employer in your city.
Why would ANYONE ever
chance losing a dollar of
their hard earned
retirement, to go back to
where they retired
from???? , when you can
work at ANY OTHER JOB,
(OTHER THAN FEDERAL) with
no reduction to your
annuity�.it just amazes
me.
Till we speak again��..Roseanne
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